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RTZ:KKy是秘密沉沦的元凶 Puppey是真正的大师

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发表于 2015-8-16 12:21:18 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
 RTZ在直播中对秘密的队内氛围和转会EG发表了评论



  他表示K神的自傲极大影响了秘密的团队状态和队内气氛:

  -Puppey is the best, most dedicated, most consistent player he has ever played with. Arteezy said he has nothing but good things to say about him.

  Rtz认为puppey是他遇见过的最无私最坚持如一最棒的队友,对他的评论除了赞美没有其他。

  -He said that s4 plays amazingly when he is in a comfortable environment. In other words, when cancerous players are around him, he tilts just a little bit. Arteezy said s4 is a great teammate and that he deserves better than the Team Secret Drama.

  S4在能让他感到舒服的环境里简直无所不能(他原话是S4 is a beast),所以如果团队里有毒瘤存在S4的表现就会比较挣扎。RTZ认为S4应该属于更好的团队而不是秘密这种内讧氛围。

  -He said that Zai is one of the best players he has ever played with and he would love to be on a team with him again.

  Zai毫无疑问是他遇见过的最棒的队友,他愿意在将来的队伍里再次与zai共舞

  -His only beef was with Kuroky. He said that he is prideful. During the final Secret game of TI he said he told Kuroky that Darkseer needed a support to guard him. He blamed himself partially for that dispute, but at that point he was done.

  RTZ觉得队内他唯一相处不来的就是kuroky,他认为这厮太傲了。秘密这次TI最后一轮比赛的时候他跟K神沟通说希望他去保一下黑贤(我们看到前期凄惨的zai在大落后阵容被完爆的情况下后期如何一次次疯狂力挽狂澜)。在比赛结束后他和kuro有短暂的争吵,他认为他也有责任,但是那时候什么都晚了

  -He said that the reason he was hesitant to do a "real talk" was because people wouldn't change their minds about him. They would think RTZ is just a young cocky teenager and Kuroky was calm and respectful all the time because that's how he behaves in interviews. "People think somebody is a saint and it's annoying. A lot of the blame is misguided."

  他对这次吐露真言是犹豫的,因为人们对他的一向印象就是他是个自大的熊孩子,而kuro在所有公众场合和访谈里都表现的冷静成熟令人尊敬。 引号里quote的是他的原句“人们执着于相信某个人是个圣人导致舆论被误导,这非常令人讨厌”

  -He said that his decision to leave EG was a mistake. He said it was prideful and unfair to his teammates. He also said his previous complaints about them were so minor. Overall he regretted Team Secret. (mostly because of Kuroky)

  他非常后悔当初离开EG,对他曾经的队友很不公平,他对前队友的批评也很不成熟(呵呵,好像你又在这么做了)。总的来说他很后悔加入秘密(和kuro做队友)

  “i could've tried harder...i could've tried to support s4 more, tried to control my hate for kuro, but i didn't; i raged and probably contributed to secret's elimination”

  我其实可以更努力,我应该给予S4更多支持,尝试控制我对kuro的恨意,但是我没有做到,团队出局TI我可能也要负一定责任

  他刚刚一场11死的蓝猫硬生生刷了起来惊天翻盘,他说puppy和K神也出现了矛盾 “even puppey realizes that there are problems with kuro now”, 结合前段时间puppy在twitter上对kuroky取关看来这对蜜月辅助组合确实出现了问题。

  even if secret won ti, i would still have left to play for eg. even if eg got last place, which obviously wouldn't happen but...the whole decision to leave eg was selfish...it was because i didn't want to work out a problem. shit happens and you learn from it everyone thinks someone is a saint, but they're not. they form an impression based on how they appear online, in streams or interviews. you can't make an impression like that; you make one when you discuss something you're both passionate about" rtz says the finger pointing incident was him telling kuro that they had to stay together in lane he says he does like Kemal says he doesn't know where s4 will go and that he "wants to play support" "no matter what I do or say about my time in secret, most people's impressions of me are already set. but i am not alone in what i say, pretty much the whole team...

  即使秘密赢了ti,我也仍然会离开秘密去eg。即使eg拿了最后一名,当然这明显不可能。但。。我去秘密这整个想法和决定是自私的。因为我没有尝试去解决问题。傻逼事发生了然后你再从中吸取教训。所有人觉得某某人是圣人,但其实他们根本不是,他们通过直播或者采访为自己塑造了

  he said he didn't know anything about the aui kick except the fact of the matter, because he wasn't a part of eg, but then tells chat that they weren't part of the team either and can't judge "it's a lose-lose situation for me...because when people think about me they think cocky teenager, but when they think about kuro they think humble...philosophical...professional...so all this real talk or whatever doesn't mean anything. puppey already talked to me about this stuff...i'm not sure if he wants to get into the drama but i'm sure he agrees with me

  大意就是2000哥被踢和他没什么太大关系,是EG现有阵容沟通的结果,当然reddit和贴吧一样处于对rtz的一贯认知认为这次转会是一个双输的局面,所有的人都认为rtz多么多么糟kuro多么多么好,事实上他和puppy已经讨论过这件事了,他虽然不一定愿意搅进他和kuro的肥皂剧里但是他认为puppy和他在这件事上市一致的

  i didn't fire any shots at puppey...puppey is a boss. everyday he'd watch lots of replays and figure out the best way for us to play...a true boss...he doesn't fall into the mindset that most dota 1 pros do...he always tries to adapt to new metas...even when navi was a shitshow i'm sure he was the one holding it together...like i'm sure there was beef even before ti3 finals but puppey the BOSS held it together and never let his ego get to him

  puppey爹是真BOSS,他无数次地看rep分析战术,他是个真正的大师,他不想其他的那些dota1的老选手那样掉进老套的思维桎梏里,他更是团队的粘合剂,他相信puppey和kuro在TI3之后就已经出现问题了,但是puppey爹一致努力维持navi的正常运作

 Kuro对RTZ的话进行了回应!

  K神本人发言了!!



  Generally I stay out of these kindergarten antics, since I find it unnecessary, but I'd like to air my thoughts just a little bit here.

  Truth be told there's no bad blood between me and Arteezy, he's just a very talented teenager, but a young mind, changes his thoughts about who the bad apple is in the team every few weeks. Well, I was young and emotional at one time as well.

  Really everything happened very quickly, we lost and tried to find a scapegoat, this time it was my turn. I honestly dont blame him, he's just very emotionally invested in Dota and especially TI, so a knee-jerk reaction like this is no surprise. If you follow his Twitter a bit you notice how emotional he can be, it's pretty much his medium to process his thoughts and daily events/occurrences. This generation...

  However, it's not easy being young and "world famous", so I'm asking for a little consideration for his behavior. Add to that he's extremely ambitious, TI is the yearly heart-breaker, so in my opinion it's good to be patient. Arteezy is an alright guy, we were all teenagers once and we didn't always handle difficult situations well.

  一般来收我很讨厌这种幼稚言论,因为我觉得毫无必要,不过看来这次我有必要表达一下我的观点了,实话讲我和Artour之间没啥大不了的,他是个非常有天赋的青年,年轻人头脑简单,脑袋里关于谁是队伍里的坏蛋的想法每隔几周就变一次。当然我也曾经年轻和情绪化过。一切都发生的太快了,我们输了比赛并且开始甩锅,这次轮到我了。说实话我不怪他,他只不过是太情绪化并且太专注于DOTA尤其是TI了,这种下意识的行为并不奇怪,如果你关注他的推特你就知道他是个什么货色。这一代娃娃呀...但是话说回来,做一个“世界知名的”年轻人不容易,所以大家给他一些宽容。更何况他极富野心,而这次TI却令人心碎,我对他的建议是耐心些没坏处。RTZ这人还行,我们都曾经是年轻人并且不擅长于处理这种情况。

  My performance was suboptimal in the last few games, Arteezy being energetic as he is (oftentimes angry), has to channel/vent his emotions, typically the teammates are the easiest target... like in your average pub game. And the relation between carry and support you all know as well, it's the most vulnerable. After the second game I told him that I checked the rune and that Storm picked up a convenient Haste rune, which is why he got wound up. I told him to relax, but that typically just makes things worse for people on edge, you lose control and it escalates.

  I think because of me and his resentment towards me, that he somehow managed to fit the puzzle pieces together in his head and came to a conclusion, to each their own. In a few months everything will be back to normal, assuming he does a little reflecting on things. I sincerely wish so for him, because in my opinion he's one of the best Dota 2 players, and the only thing holding him back is himself and his attitude towards the team. Nothing is achieved by accusing people, we won four tournaments in a row, all eyes were on us, our meta game was broken, you win you lose, just the way it goes in every sport. Either you band together and solve the problems, skill is not the problem, as the results have proven thus far... or you completely overreact.

  过去的几场比赛我的状态并不是最好。而RTZ总是极(总)富(是)精(生)力(气),喜爱发泄情感,自然队友就是最方便的对象,就如同在你的每一场路人比赛里那样。而且carry和辅助位的关系总是很难调和,你们懂的。第二场之后(应该说的是对VP)我跟她说我看过河道了因为对面的蓝猫控到了加速符所以才把他吹起来的。我让他放松,结果谁想这让处于愤怒的人爆发并且让事情更为恶化。我想可能是因为我以及他对我的怨恨,他现在开始在脑海里罗织对我的不满。不过几个月以后事情会过去的,我也希望他不要再反应过激,因为我认为他是世界上最棒的选手之一,能够阻碍他成功的只有他自己和对团队的态度。指责队友无法带来任何好处,任何体育项目都会有输有赢。一个队的队友应该团结起来解决问题,因为队员能力很明显并不是我们失败的根由。反应过激没什么乱用。

  After our elimination I've tried to discuss things with him for the following 3-4 days, he ignored me and much rather, as he often likes to do, vented on the Internet. I even asked Zai and 1437 to act as an intermediary, but mister Babaev remained stubborn. I think it's a shame, because I actually enjoyed having him, but yeah, like I said I understand why he acts like this.

  I'm not going to go mix myself further into this business/drama, he's an Internet figure and I dont want to get sucked into the attention vortex surrounding him, I'm simply not the type of person for that. I wish him the best, I hope he snaps to it and talks with me personally, if he did then none of this would've been necessary.

  我们被淘汰后的三四天里我试着跟他谈过,他完全无视我,只是在网上发泄。我甚至寻求zai和1437的帮助希望他们能够调和,但是babyrage压根不刁。我感到非常遗憾,因为跟他做队友是很欢乐的,而且我说过我们都年轻过所以可以理解他这样的行为。我不想再搀这个节奏了,他是个网络偶像我也不想搅进对于他的高关注漩涡里,我这个人讨厌节奏。我祝福她,也希望他能私下里和我谈谈,如果他能这么做就会发现带这种节奏毫无必要。

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